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On a Scale of 1-100 how have the Covid measures harmed you?
I wanted to do a transcript of the audio of the Scott Adams discussion, because I think itâs pretty crucial to understanding the past three years and how to prevent another ruling-class debacle. (The discussion begins about 4:45 into the conversation.
C: SCOTT ADAMS ADMITS THAT HE WAS WRONG (AND GRACIOUSLY ADMITS IT)
âYou won, you won completely, I did not end up in the right placeâ Thatâs what Scott Adams said about the jab.
âIf Dilbert comes around can the New York Times be far behindâ (Maybe)
At first, I was like, âwho the hell is Scott Adams,â then I was like, âduh, he writes the Dilbert cartoon.â
And so, thereâs like a little two minute video that he posted, and yeah, while he graciously admitted he was wrong about the vaccine and that he was like, what really struck me was that he put in the terms of âwinning and losing,â
D: HmmmmâŚ
C: You know, I never put in in the framework of Iâm going to win and the pro-vaxxers lost, because of the debate. I was always focused on the product to see if itâs something we want to put into our bodies, and to me, it was about choice, I made a different choice from him (Adams). I feel very good about that choice and he (Adams) said something like, âI know you all are feeling healthier and you donât have to worry about the same complications that I have to worry about, now.â
But then, he like, even though he was being gracious, he put it in this term, like, âmy (Adamsâ) careful analysis led me to the wrong conclusion, whereas the anti-vaxxers âheuristicallyâ came to a different conclusion, and they won.â Now, I had to look up the word âheuristic,â because even though I know the word, itâs not something we hear everyday,
D: Yeah, not in everyday lexicon.
C: I kind of felt it had the meaning of, âmy intellect is superior to your intellect, but now look, the dummies won, and I lost.â Well, âheuristicâ means that we kind of organically come to the conclusion, we use experience and use intuition.
And thatâs what these people..like.. heâs come to the same place that we are and I donât feel like I have won anything, I have several friends who have died suddenly, they had âsuddenitisâ and we canât ask what they died from, because even though they have spent the past two years with them (the pro-vaxxers) being comfortable about asking us, âare you vaxxedâ we canât ask, we canât ask why did âso and soâ die? âSuddenlyâ is not a cause.â
Right?
D: Yeah
C: So, anyway, I made a different choice AND I still have to worry about people I love that are vaxxed and I worry about everybody I know who is vaxxed.
But, then like we have said over, and over, and over again, we are anti-vaxxers because we, I actually researched and did analytics myself
D: yeah,
C: but in the beginning there werenât any. I donât know when he (Adams) got his shots, but what statistics was he looking at? Because Pfizer wasnât giving us any, Moderna wasnât giving us their research, and in fact, wanted to hide them for 75 years.
But he (Adams) did say something I agree with, âThey (anti-vaxxers) mistrusted the governmentâ and he said, âitâs always correct to mistrust the government,â so, thatâs true as well.
So, mistrusting the government, mistrusting these corporations and big pharma, and mistrusting the media weighed heavily in my decision making in the beginning. Right?
D: Yeah
C: But also, I didnât have enough information to get it (the jab). I had enough information to not get it, but now, after these months after the vaccine roll-out, was, like it became available to certain demographics at the end or 2020, beginning of 2021, then it became more widely available to more demographics, then maybe like year after thatâI then knew enough to know that I was not going to get it.
D: Um, hmm.
C: and also, another thing, I donât feel like people like Scott Adams, thereâs been many like him, Leana Wen from CNN who has changed her tune on Covid, Dr. Malhottra, a cardiologist from Great Britain, many doctors, of course we donât know if itâs true or not because itâs online, but theyâve said, âIâm so sorry I took the vax and I am sorry I pushed it on others.â
D: Yep
C: We see a lot of that happening, but the thing to me is I, and I donât tell anybody else what to do , but I weighed the risk of me getting Covid and dying from it, compared to the risk of an unknown medical intervention, right?
D: yes
C: I clearly chose that way, and I donât feel like I won, I feel like I made a choice, and even if people made a different choice, what are they going to do about it? You have to live with it, you have to figure out how that is going to affect you, what can you do to ameliorate any adverse affects or even going forward, how can we prevent this from happening again, because a lot of people, had to get it to keep their jobs, or to see their grandchildren, or to see their grandparents, and why was that choice forced upon people?
D: Yeah, and I think going back to like I think the framing of the article is kind of problematic in and of itself it places these two camps as antagonistic. You know vaxxers against antivaxxers and I think that is very much in line with what the ruling-class want us to do. Deliniate these two camps that are antagonistic to each other, even though, you have neighbors that are in that camp, you have family members that are in that camp, you have all different kinds of groups that are interacting this way, you know it places it as a zero sum game, one side needs to win and one side needs to lose. When, really, I donât think thatâs the case at all. People like us want other people to do their research, to make an informed decision.
I mean neither of us have are in the fashion of telling people what to do.
C: Uh, huh.
D: But do research, make an educated choice, have all the information away from secrecy, away from things behind the curtain with complete transparency, away from these corporations, away from these governments, uh, I think is different, itâs not from a place of antagonism: I want you to be wrong, I want this, that or the other, like youâve said, we have people who have received all the vaccines and received all the boosters, and we donât want to be correct,
C: No, hell, no
D:Because that would mean people very close to us be put into danger, so I think again Iâm glad people are coming around admitting when certain information was incorrect, or this, that, or the other, but framing it as you won, I lost, equation is very much harmful at this point.
C: Well, heâs also using the pejorative: âantivaxxer.â You know, we feel like, and I canât speak for everybody who didnât take the vaccine, but we feel like we were vaccine, especially, covid vaccine skeptical. I donât know anybody (well I do know a few) who hasnât gotten any vaccines. I have gotten vaccines, I gave vaccines to my children. Now, if I had children today, I would be way more skeptical of giving them all the vaccinesâ-something like 80 before they are 12 (Note: by the time they are 18 years). (Note: this figure is close if you count a yearly, one or two dose influenza vaxâCDC schedule, here)
But, weâre not antivax, weâre not anti-science, weâre skeptical and you know, and maybe some people are antivax, but it shouldnât be a pejorative and it shouldnât be framed that way like they just kind of figured it out themselves, while the provax people did âcareful analytics.â I feel like if he (Adams) really did careful analytics, he doesât seem to be an idiot, but if he did careful analytics, I believe he wouldnât have got it.
Heâs not going to lose his job, I guess, if he doesnât get it, isnât he like a syndicated cartoonist.
D: Yeah, so many people such as myself were put into a position, I received rounds one and two and I didnât get any boosters.
C: Right
D: But that was a choice I didnât make willingly without interference by employers, and you know, kind of life. Because everyone is in such precarious situations due to the economy and employment then put a pandemic which is already devastating for people and working families, then to also say that you may lose your job, you may not be able to see your grandchildren you may not be able to see your mother in the nursing home, etc, unless you get this, I think a lot of people kind of were backed into a corner and I am in a better position than a lot of people so I can only imagine the anxiety and grief that people were put through, or felt.
C: Oh my god, itâs just horrendous, this last three years have been filled with heartache and fascist diktats from politicians who arenât medical experts and the experts who were advising them were ones who were profiting off of the measures and vaccines.
I know some teachers.
D: Umm
C: that they had to get the vaccine, then if they didnât get the vaccine, they had to pay for their own testing ONCE A WEEK
D:YEP
C: You know, and was it like $40 or $50? How can teachers afford to pay that much money to do this? SO it was really like, and I am also not the person who didnât get the vaccine who is going to shit on people who had to make those choices. Some people say, âwell they should have quit their jobs,â well, those people donât live in the real world. Because you know, yes, some people did quit their jobs, some people lost a lot, some people struggled, but you know, when you have a family, you know like you said, you should never have been put in this choice, and people who have families to support, now what to you think theyâre going to choose?
D: Exactly
C: And theyâre working-class, theyâre not like basketball players who make $100 million a year, or something, they can afford to lose 20-30 million dollars. Theyâre just workers who canât even afford to miss a paycheck.
D: No, exactly, and I think a lot of people away from labels and all that, i think this idea of precariousness and poverty and the economic reality of people who live in this country are so far removed from some people, and perhaps people think things are better off than they are to take a stand, but when you have stuff like that on the line, people are already in such bad positions Now we have an inflation crisis, now we have a student loan crisis, we have rent spiraling out of control, add to that the recession, the Capitalistâs recession because of Covid as well as the lockdowns, people couldnât go to work. Itâs a perfect recipe for forced consent.
C: Yep, and thatâs a war crime. Thatâs not a war crime, itâs a crime against humanity. Not allowing people to make their own informed consent. I mean, they could have chosen differently, and they could have chosen to starve or be homeless, or lose everything. That is no choice, they call that a âSophieâs Choice,â Or âHobsonâs Choice,â is something choosing between two horrible decisions. So, yeah, itâs been rough and itâs been, and again to see people apologize, and say, âletâs just move on, â like that professor from Harvard (NOTE: Actually, the author is Emily Oster from Brown Universityâlink)
D: Yeah, the idea of amnesty.
C: Yeah, Letâs just have a covid amnesty. Letâs have an amnesty for all of us who supported these measures that harmed so many children and elders and now suddenitis, people dying of suddenitis.
I was just listening to John Campbell from the UK this morning. Heâs Phd, but heâs not a medical doctor, but he trains nurses, heâs a nurse, and he said that in young people in the UK, which included Great Britain, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, like theyâre all cause mortality from 2020 went up over 7% for 2022, and thatâs a huge percentage and thatâs another factor. Not only did they harm us in economic ways, social ways, and physical, but its killing people and I think people are finally starting to get that, so, but I think that reparations are in order.
D: For sure.
C: Like on a scale from 1-100 how did all of this bullshit harm your life, then you get. Some people profited greatly, the lockdowns were wonderful for them right, and all the mandates and vax mandates: theyâre the ones that have to pay the reparations.
D: Yep, absolutely.